16 April 2012. Press J to jump to the feed. The elimination of his capacity for evil necessarily entails the elimination of his capacity for good. I feel the same about blade runner, so over hyped and shit. With Malcolm McDowell, Patrick Magee, Michael Bates, Warren Clarke. Who ever heard of a clockwork orange?' While A Clockwork Orange is brilliant for a lot of reasons (the interesting cinematography, the excellent acting by Malcolm McDowell, etc. You know? I don't know, usually when I find a movie unsettling (most recently, Cheap Thrills) and hard to watch, I LOVE the movie despite being unable to comfortably watch it. Now I love those types of movies, and will continue to love them to this day. It's the people who get overly enamored of it that bother me. I still kinda feel that way, like maybe I'm completely wrong and everyone else is right? Réalisé par : Stanley Kubrick. I would rather have diarrhea for 2 hours. Technically it's almost flawless. At the time, it was the equivalent of NC-17, and for good reason. Directed by Stanley Kubrick. I tried watching it again a few years ago, excited to reevaluate it, and turned it off halfway through. I don't even mind if people like it. It would suck to have diarrhea for two hours, stuck on the toilet and (plot twist) you only have access to watch A Clockwork Orange. Clockwork Orange. This removes the point of the book, which is that anyone can go down this path of violence, that it's society that holds together and can tear apart. Twenty minutes I lasted before I walked. A Clockwork Orange is considered a cinematic masterpiece, and ain't nobody taking that away. I really wanna know why YOU guys like it so much. Big ideas aside, I'm just amazed by Kubrick's genius in that he uses the same "conditioning" that Alex has gone through with the audience. The ending to this one is just mean, plain and simple. Jun 5, 2019 - Movies and tv shows I like. Because I have to respect any piece of art that can make me FEEL so strongly, even if it means feeling uncomfortable/sickened/what have you, that piece of art moved you in some way and that is what the best art does. Agreed, I think it's a very good film and quite skillfully executed but quite facile thematically and even in its presentation; it's done well but not groundbreaking in anyway really. I don't about you but this whole concept was just genius to me. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It's kind of cathartic to see him being sort of tortured when he gets picked up by the authorities. This seems like a pretty dangerous way to judge the quality of a film. Don't bother seeing it. They act like 16 year olds, talk like 16 year olds, the violence happens almost accidentally, in the course of being bored. Unless "young guys assume selves to be masters of the universe, and decide to let everyone know" is your favorite genre, it's a waste of your time. Visually, it is competent and does a good job of feeling sickly and empty whilst offering up some typically classy, Kubrickian flourishes but, and admittedly this was a while ago, I cannot recall anything that particularly blew me away. For me it's because of the book. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. We are concerned only with cutting down crime--and. Whenever I hear that song now, I get slightly queasy in my stomach, which shows the impact of the movie. Trump doesn't give a s*** about his kids lol Except for Ivanka but that's for very, very bad reasons. It's fine if you like it, but if you need to insult me or others over it, you're exactly what is wrong with that fandom. In order to take this to the extreme that the argument requires, Kubrick had to display very graphic acts. I've never actually seen it, but someone is very angry that you all share a dislike for it! S’il y a une couleur qui s’est imposée à moi au fil des années, c’est bien le orange ! Kubrick just seemed to want violence for violence and sex's sake. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. KUBRICK ORIGINALLY DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THE MOVIE. Full Metal Jacket, A Clockwork Orange, The Shining, 2001: A Space Odyssey etc... all have an emotional impenetrability. by Lulla 16 April 2012. I hate A Clockwork Orange I know everyone thinks it's so fucking brilliant and amazing and whatever, but I think it's absolute shit. See more ideas about movies, cult movies, clockwork orange. A Clockwork Orange is in cinemas from 5 April, with Q&As with Malcolm McDowell after screenings at Picturehouse Central, London on 6 April at 4pm and at Curzon Mayfair on 7 April at 2.30pm. A normal viewer goes into movies expecting a satisfying ending, whether good or bad. But there are many films that are confusing and empty just because they are badly made. The Clockwork Orange Blu-ray, out May 31, features a newly restored print of the film, looking better than it has in four decades. It's vulgar, graphic, and oozing in violence. I acknowledge that Kubrick was trying to say something with the insane violence and cold nature of the movie, but I have no idea what it is. Here are a few things you should know about Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange.. 1. The main idea explored in the film is around justice, rehabilitation, and how far we want to go as a society to fulfill these "responsibilities." It is the quintessential cult film. Somebody really hates all these comments and is downvoting them. It's difficult to put my finger on, but I feel with Kubrick he functions well as a gateway to 'art' films. Anonyme. The Shining is easily my favorite Kubrick film. I assume trump loved this movie if he saw it. (Tilton 39)Some critics have deemed A Clockwork Orange unconvincing, inconclusive, or even a sensationalistic endorsement of violence. Isn't that the classic thing people say about Hitchcock's brilliance? It's hard for people to get past the violence. This is a story about a person who is good at destruction and violence. See the unfiltered opinions of strangers. I think that, in terms of it's subject matter, it's very boring and simple and calculated. .with relieving the ghastly congestion in our prisons. You probably think clockwork is fine cinema by the tenor of your insult. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. I haven't even seen most of that. I think if you didn't watch that movie before the age of 15 then you won't find it any good. I think the visual presentation of such explicit violence was vital in making the audience associate that degree of violence with Singin' in the Rain. Anyone hate A Clockwork Orange? A character enjoying violence like that, ok. In the future, a sadistic gang leader is imprisoned and volunteers for a conduct-aversion experiment, but it doesn't go as planned. The result of the conditioning process is the destruction of the clockwork altogether. When I was watching it I wasn't getting depressed or disturbed, I was just sucked into the dialogue and visuals. I don't know why anyone likes it, and regret the minutes of my life that I cannot get back that were spent on seeing it. I actually found its presentation quite whimsical. Is it the violence itself? Nationalités : Royaume-Uni, États-Unis. In the film, however, two newspaper articles print his name as "Alex Burgess". Alex is a fictional character in Anthony Burgess's novel A Clockwork Orange and Stanley Kubrick's film adaptation of the same name, in which he is played by Malcolm McDowell. I completely understand anyone disliking the film but I also see how some may love it and consider an all time favourite. Budget : 2 200 000 $ Sortie : 21 avril 1972. Titre original : A Clockwork Orange. Stanley Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange" is an ideological mess, a paranoid right-wing fantasy masquerading As an Orwellian warning. It was arrogant, stupid, and tried so hard to be over the top that it practically became a parody of itself -- and not in the "look at me, I'm super cool satire" way. I always say, if a movie left me feeling empty or confused then it's a good film. Kubrick needs the realest, most abhorrently graphic violence to make this movie anything at all. I don't think the movie at all glorifies any of the violence it depicts, and in fact, I think it strives to portray it as just as ugly as it actually is. The film being one of my favorites, I asked him why did he hate it so much. I don't think I can be more specific with that train of thought. Il y a 1 décennie. Minister of the Interior "There was a man. Cookies help us deliver our Services. A Clockwork Orange is truly nothing like I’ve ever seen in my entire life, for so many reasons. Technically it's almost flawless. I recently re-watched the movie with a friend, after it was over he was outraged calling it horrible and disappointing and generally hating it. Shit, Pauline Kael was dead-right about the later film. We’re not concerned with motives, with the higher ethics. I could use these adverbs to describe a number of widely recognised bad films and without any additional thoughts or discussion about what the film was trying to achieve then it becomes quite a meaningless statement. It touches on themes that are rarely talked about let alone visualized. You just essentially described Stanley Kubrick :D. You are not alone. D’abord timidement testée en petites touches de maquillage, je l’ai progressivement adoptée en accessoires, pour inévitablement lui succomber en total look, à l’image de cette robe récemment shoppée. It's not classy cinema, it's not a super brilliant thinkpiece, and it's not worth the bizarre idolization that it gets amongst a certain demographic. He returned to England from colonial teaching posts in Malaya and Brunei in 1959 and noticed that England had changed while he had been abroad. I don't appreciate feeling like shit after seeing this movie because I feel like in the end Kubrick just wanted to make me feel like shit whereas other directors want to make you feel ____ via feeling like shit. and its two sequels. The others are all much further down my list of movies I like. Tino_Tonitini2 4 weeks ago #9. That's all I really see. Ready for a bit of the ol' ultra-violence? . Immediately the lead character is painted as someone who we are not supposed to sympathize with, and we continue to hate him more and more as the film goes on. It's exactly the kind of thing I think would appeal to his violent and egomaniacal tendencies. (I'm sure you already this, anyways..). Wow. I always say, if a movie left me feeling empty or confused then it's a good film. I hate to say it, but it seems at this point someone important needs to die close to Trump for him to take this seriously. But the way this ACO is made feels like Kubrick is so self satisfied with shocking people and that's kinda it. It bothers me how the violence is displayed in an almost clinical way. Kubrick made much better films with a much more worthwhile resonance during his career and although I might find some resistance to this judging by the top post in this thread, I actually find it to be the worst of all his so-called masterpieces. And as cult implies it's not accepted by the mainstream audience. When I was young my friend made me watch it. The soundtrack to Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange was released to accompany the 1971 film of the same name.The music is a thematic extension of Alex's (and the viewer's) psychological conditioning. Me too, mate. Maybe even glorified. On the whole, it's still just a deeply unpleasant viewing experience for me, and I usually have no problem with graphic violence or unsavory characters, although I guess I don't prefer them. In A Clockwork Orange, or in Festen, or in Zero Theorem... you can't really relate to one particular character. Its like shakespeare on crack. It is a shite film in my opinion, I really could and even now can't stand it. So I wanted to ask you guys why would the general movie goers hate this one? But then no, I very strongly dislike this movie. I can't really blame them - at a glance, the violence seems shocking, abhorrent, and pointless. Dislike rigid emotionality, loves Barry Lyndon. Very hard to articulate. I guess because I feel like the violence in those movies carries plot, builds character, etc. And I, just like you, love every minute of it. Although he's treated as a demigod, his films are, well IMO--distancing and cold. It was one of the first Kubrick films I saw and it set me up to think of him as overrated when, in reality and after subsequent viewings of his filmography, he really isn't. I do remember I felt it was shocking purely for the sake of being shocking, which I took umbrage with at the time. You actually understand an important element of the film. Finally someone else feels the same way. These are Alex’s defining qualities and he enjoys them because he is good at them. Graphic, graphic rape scenes (which I could hardly watch years ago, before being raped myself, now those scenes make me quite ill, literally, really nauseous and unable to see straight). He didn't need the actual physical depiction of the worst violence. I loved the book and the movie. It's as pathetic as the person downvoting everyone here for not circlejerking over how great that film is. With that said, I enjoyed it. I called A Clockwork Orange one of my favorite films, once upon a time. “If he can only perform good or only perform evil, then he is a clockwork orange—meaning that he has the appearance of an organism lovely with colour and juice but is in fact only a clockwork toy to be wound up by God or the Devil.” ― Anthony Burgess, A Clockwork Orange. But for me, the violence, while definitely shocking, needed to be exactly as shocking as it was for the payoff of the ending to have any weight. I would say it's easily the weakest of his post-SPARTACUS films. It is strange to watch A Clockwork Orange again, in my case for the first time in 20 years. It's a technically masterful film, to be sure, but I feel it doesn't tell that story in a particularly effective way. One thing I took away from it was the question of what type of rehabilitation is morally acceptable, and at what point is society out of line in correcting criminal activity? I don't think I'd agree now. I recently re-watched the movie with a friend, after it was over he was outraged calling it horrible and disappointing and generally hating it. But, as I've grown and my tastes have expanded, his films--albeit technically brilliant and made by a true auteur--have lessened for me. Genre : Drame, Policier. 5 réponses. Now I'm a minority, and as such many movie goers will have a negative opinion at first. Dans une Angleterre futuriste. But for what? .a writer of subversive literature." Burgess began writing the novel in early 1961. Does the violence carry a bigger message that I'm missing? I mean that's what the characters in the movies are doing obviously, they're like everyone else said, sociopathic-- but the movie itself has this weird sociopathic quality to it too in a way I'm not sure was intentional. Given some time, it may grow on them, but only time will tell. I love it, yet the fact that I do makes me think I could be a psychopath lmao. They're just using the shock to sell, not as a vehicle to get somewhere else. I have noticed that a lot of people wrote the same things: 1. But I don't get that from Kubrick. I fucking hate it, however it is an amazing film. I can't find the source right now but I remamber a paper about the instinct to relate to one group. Cookies help us deliver our Services. And the message it's trying to send. I did realize this time around that it's not the story or characters that I find particularly offensive, but the way they are presented. Durée : 2h16 . Pertinence. The film being one of my favorites, I asked him why did he hate it so much. User Info: Tino_Tonitini2. How important is freedom of choice if it leads to such dreadful acts? I hate this movie as well, though I'm not sure I'll be able to adequately articulate why. It was arrogant, stupid, and tried so hard to be over the top that it practically became a parody of itself -- and not in the "look at me, I'm super cool satire" way. My heart responds to Kubrick's warmer and more humorous films--Dr.Strangelove, Lolita; and like Martin Scorsese I think Barry Lyndon is his greatest film. I don't even need to say that it's one of Kubrick's finest. Just on another level than most other movies I guess? People seem to be very hung up on the set design and pre-production work that went into the film which is very thorough and original, to be fair. I don't even need to say that it's one of Kubrick's finest. Always hated it. His "greatest hits" have a rigid emotionality that turn me off now. I can understand why people flipped out when it was originally released. Everyday I watch bits and bits of A Clockwork Orange videos in Youtube because I am a little bit obsessed with (young) Malcolm McDowell (as obvious as it is that he is my icon here!). So any problem someone might have is with the story element of it. It's vulgar, dark, sadistic, ultra-violent and outright repulsive. Do you love the plot? Alex n'aime que l'«ultraviolence» et la musique de Beethoven. Réponse préférée. The strange thing for me is despite its dark theme. Growing up I was fond of Kubrick--absolutely enamored with him really. The movie has violence, good acting, and good cinematography. . That's the true masterpiece the Kubrick mythology acolytes dismiss and overlook. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the confessions community. Thoughts about A Clockwork Orange and why people would hate it. In the film, his surname is DeLarge, a reference to Alex calling himself The Large in the novel. Répondre Enregistrer. It's just a dark movie man, plain and simple. you probably worship the transformers saga. I think that A Clockwork Orange suffers from a number of broad strokes on the philosophies of violence and punishment and I found it a rather dull exercise regarding themes that have been dealt with more vividly since. The soundtrack of A Clockwork Orange comprises classical music and electronic synthetic music composed by Wendy Carlos.Some of the music is heard only as excerpts, e.g. A Clockwork Orange is a dystopian satirical black comedy novel by English writer Anthony Burgess, published in 1962.It is set in a near-future society that has a youth subculture of extreme violence. His films are 'arty' but fairly easy to watch (compared with something like Last Year At Marienbad), and you're already well acquainted with him because so many of his images and scenes are well-trodden pop culture references. I think that this is the kind of film where you can't relate to any character. What the film asks is, "How far are we willing to go (/is ethical to go) to rehabilitate even the most reprehensible type of person?" Yes we're being condescending Yes that means we're talking down to you . In the movie the characters sit and plot and plan what terrible things they'll do. I should also mention here that since watching the film I have read and really enjoyed the book, and had no problem grasping the major themes there. If you are trying to say that you enjoy films that leave us asking questions rather than attempting to answer them by any means possible, even at the sacrifice of their artistic integrity, then I agree with you. The violence seems too self-indulgent on the parts of the actual movie makers (directors, producers, whatever). I just want to turn it off and not talk to anybody about it. Get that nasty secret off your chest. For example, looking at a tennis match, you will always be for one or the other player, but you will not be neutral. I feel the same about growing away from Kubrick. Edward Elgar's Pomp … The responses, posted and voted, are exactly what makes this such a controversial opinion to have. However, two years after the film’s release, Kubrick took “A Clockwork Orange” out of circulation in the United Kingdom due to accusation that it … A Clockwork Orange continued to tick away in Burgess’s imagination until the end of his life. I'm rambling. “Padre, these are subtleties. It's a brilliant book and has the exact opposite message as the movie. The violence. I know everyone thinks it's so fucking brilliant and amazing and whatever, but I think it's absolute shit. You sum it up perfectly, I recently re-watched this movie (also a favorite of mine), and I had forgotten how unrelenting it is from start to finish. It pretends to oppose the police state and forced mind control, but all it really does is celebrate the nastiness of its hero, Alex. It's also how I feel about Tyler the Creator's verses, if you guys know what I mean? Actor Malcolm McDowell has had several iconic roles, from Alex DeLarge in A Clockwork Orange, to Caligula in Caligula, to Mick Travis in if…. A Clockwork Orange is all of those things, but there's no particular moment that I want to revisit, and perhaps that was Kubrick's intent. The book’s author Anthony Burgess has offered a trio of explanations for the title: he’d overheard the phrase “as queer as a clockwork orange” in a London pub in 1945 and assumed it was a Cockney expression; it was a play on the Malay word “orang,” which means “man;” or it was a metaphor for “an organic entity, full of juice and sweetness and agreeable odour, being turned into a mechanism.” Gone Girl had the same reaction, anyone I know who has seen it has left the film kinda not knowing what to say. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Must be a clockwork orange fan. So nice try, but no. Whereas ACO's violence seems to be violence for the sake of violence. The teenage protagonist, Alex, narrates his violent exploits and his experiences with state authorities intent on reforming him. A new youth culture was beginning to appear, with pop music, milk bars, drugs and Teddy Boy violence. Everything about A Clockwork Orange *visually/culturally* seems so outlandish and bizarre. My point is that people hate it because they see terrible violence and it's easy to get swept up into thinking it's gratuitous and pointless, but I do believe the film would not have the same emotional impact it does without having it as shocking as it is, and that the ending proves that the film is definitely not about glorifying or indicting this kind of violence, but about questioning both the violent nature inherent to certain people, and the role of correctional rehabilitation for violent criminals. 16 will be 16 but if they're allowed but the culture to go down the rabbit hole they will. Within the book, the characters are normal 16 year olds, just with muderous tendencies. I feel like they are enjoying it for the wrong reasons probably. 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